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Hi everyone. Rob and I are taking a break from the Unhedged podcast this week, but we wanted to introduce you to another podcast in the FT stable. The Economic Show with Samaya Keynes is a weekly FT podcast covering the biggest issues in global economics, including trade, monetary policy and the AI revolution. In this episode, Samaya speaks to John Minnick, an expert on Chinese industrial policy at LSE. They discuss how China used tech transfers to absorb Western know-how and become the world's foremost manufacturer. And they ask whether the US and Europe should now do the same to China. If you like what you hear, click the link in the description or search The Economic Show wherever you get your podcasts to find more episodes. Enjoy the show.